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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:56 am    Post subject: Rebound vs. burying the head Reply with quote

Dann,

I'm curious how critical it is to get the rebound off the kick drum every stroke as apposed to the "Bury the head" method?

I'd like to know because playing bury the head style I'm really excelling. I'm currently in lesson 4 and I can play all the exercises with ease to the play along songs, and can in fact play all the exercises at a much higher tempo than the play along songs. But only with the bury the head method. If I try and release to get the rebound, my foot follows my right hand and I end up doing 8th notes on the kick drum. Bury the head method, I play very smooth, other method my food follows whatever my right hand is doing.

I feel like I'm ready to move on, except for this one issue. Is it a minor or major issue? Should deal with it (How), or move on to lesson 5.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: Rebound vs. burying the head Reply with quote

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Dann,

I'm curious how critical it is to get the rebound off the kick drum every stroke as apposed to the "Bury the head" method?

I'd like to know because playing bury the head style I'm really excelling. I'm currently in lesson 4 and I can play all the exercises with ease to the play along songs, and can in fact play all the exercises at a much higher tempo than the play along songs. But only with the bury the head method. If I try and release to get the rebound, my foot follows my right hand and I end up doing 8th notes on the kick drum. Bury the head method, I play very smooth, other method my food follows whatever my right hand is doing.

I feel like I'm ready to move on, except for this one issue. Is it a minor or major issue? Should I deal with it (How?), or move on to lesson 5?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:30 am    Post subject: burying the beater vrs rebound Reply with quote

If you have access to a good acoustic bass drum, perhaps you can answer your own question.

Play a strike with proper rebound and then another 'burying the beater'. Hear any difference? If you can, then it would seem to be wise to master both techniques. Even if not, you'll want to 'sever' the connection between your two feet and two hands, because eventually, you'll need to do something different with each.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:36 am    Post subject: Re: burying the beater vrs rebound Reply with quote

cascada_cats wrote:
If you have access to a good acoustic bass drum, perhaps you can answer your own question.

Play a strike with proper rebound and then another 'burying the beater'. Hear any difference? If you can, then it would seem to be wise to master both techniques. Even if not, you'll want to 'sever' the connection between your two feet and two hands, because eventually, you'll need to do something different with each.

John (session 2)
. Yamaha DTXpress IV (enhanced)
. SmartRigger ecymbal
. Roland PM-3 amp/speakers
. Audio-Technica ATH-M40fs Headphones
. Pearl 900 Throne with Protection Racket cover
. Pearl BC800W cymbal & H820W Hi-Hat stands
. Zildjian Edge 20" Solid Ride, 16" Thin Crash, 10" Splash
. Zildjian Edge 14" Rock Hi-Hats, 18" China
. Zildjian Avedis 16" Rock Crash


Thanks,

Yes, I play on an acoustic set, and yes I hear a difference. The bury the head methods sounds much better, so no, I can't really answer my own question. Secondly, I still don't know 'how' to resolve the problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:43 pm    Post subject: Burying the beater Reply with quote

Hi Jed,
Man don't sweat it too much right now. The rebound method is something to work on as a long term goal. Lots of great drummers never use it. However, most of the BEST drummers do. So don't beat yourself up over it. Just practice the foot exercises a little every day. Soon you'll find yourself doing it naturally. However, do not expect it to become a feature of your playing yet. You are in Session 4. You are just starting. Just have fun and keep with the exercises. Maybe try it every now and again while playing with the tracks...just to see what happens. Just have fun my friend, it'll come eventually if you want it bad enough.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:53 pm    Post subject: Burying the beater sounds better? Reply with quote

Jed,
Beauty is in the ear of the behearer. If your bass drum is heavily muffled with pillows and stuff, it will tend to sound better using dead weight burying the beater. If, however you play a more open bass drum (with minimal muffling) this becomes a totally different story. You'll end up getting an annoying buzz when using the dead weight approach. This is one of many reasons to learn both methods of playing...rebound and dead weight.

Also, please remember if you are playing the heel up, dead weight approach do not bounce your heel in subdivisions as a time keeping device. Strike the drum and let your foot rest.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Burying the beater Reply with quote

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Hi Jed,
Man don't sweat it too much right now. The rebound method is something to work on as a long term goal. Lots of great drummers never use it. However, most of the BEST drummers do. So don't beat yourself up over it. Just practice the foot exercises a little every day. Soon you'll find yourself doing it naturally. However, do not expect it to become a feature of your playing yet. You are in Session 4. You are just starting. Just have fun and keep with the exercises. Maybe try it every now and again while playing with the tracks...just to see what happens. Just have fun my friend, it'll come eventually if you want it bad enough.
Sincerely,

Dann


Thanks Dann. That's kind of how I felt about it, but wasn't sure until now. I'll move on to lesson 5 today. I'll continue to practice the other method when I do my bass drum exercises. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Burying the beater sounds better? Reply with quote

Dann Sherrill wrote:
Jed,
Beauty is in the ear of the behearer. If your bass drum is heavily muffled with pillows and stuff, it will tend to sound better using dead weight burying the beater. If, however you play a more open bass drum (with minimal muffling) this becomes a totally different story. You'll end up getting an annoying buzz when using the dead weight approach. This is one of many reasons to learn both methods of playing...rebound and dead weight.

Also, please remember if you are playing the heel up, dead weight approach do not bounce your heel in subdivisions as a time keeping device. Strike the drum and let your foot rest.

Dann


My kick drum is 'open' tuned, except for I use the type of batter head with a built in muffling ring.

I'm not sure if I'm inadvertantly bouncing my heel while playing heel up method. I'll have to watch myself and see.

Thanks.
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